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Complexity scientist Peter Turchin is the founder of Clio Dynamics, a field dedicated to the scientific study of history [00:00:51].
Clio Dynamics: A Science of History
Clio Dynamics aims to provide a rigorous, data-driven understanding of historical dynamics [00:01:13]. It emerged from Turchin’s background in theoretical biology, seeking a new challenge by shifting from animal population dynamics to human societies [00:02:31], [00:02:48].
The motivations behind Clio Dynamics are twofold:
- Scientific Rigor: To apply the scientific method to history, moving beyond theories to systematic testing against data, which was largely absent in the field historically [00:02:55], [00:03:09].
- Societal Health: To understand why large-scale societies, despite their potential for widespread well-being, historically experience “end times” periods of social dysfunction, political disintegration, and sometimes outright collapse [00:03:22], [00:03:42]. This emphasizes the need for a “science of social health” to ensure societies function well [00:04:17], [00:04:20].
Distinction from Previous Theories of History
Clio Dynamics differs from earlier historical theories—such as the “Great Man” theory (19th century), “Social Forces/Structuralism” (early 20th century), and “Environmental Determinism” (e.g., Jared Diamond) [00:04:45], [00:05:01]. Its distinguishing features include:
- Integration: It is an integrative science that considers the interplay of various mechanisms, including economic, political, and even climatological factors, along with the influence of individuals [00:06:41], [00:06:50].
- Empirical Testing: It prioritizes empirical testing to determine which processes are relevant for understanding and prediction, rather than simply proposing theories [00:07:21], [00:07:47]. While direct experimentation is impossible, like in astrophysics or evolutionary biology, historical sciences can still test theories using data [00:08:14], [00:08:58].
Data Collection and Proxies
To facilitate empirical testing, Clio Dynamics relies on massive historical databases, such as Seshat and CrisisDB [00:15:45], [00:16:18]. These databases collect data on hundreds of societies over thousands of years [00:16:03]. A key methodology involves using “proxies”—variables closely correlated with the variable of interest [00:11:24]. For example:
- Average Stature: The average height of a population can serve as a reliable proxy for biological and economic well-being over time, particularly from skeletal data [00:11:54], [00:12:18]. A decline in average height in pre-crisis periods indicates population immiseration and signals potential troubles [00:12:54].
Key Drivers of Societal Disintegration
Based on extensive historical data, two primary dynamics consistently appear as drivers of “end times” or societal instability [00:14:55], [00:17:01]:
1. Popular Immiseration
This refers to the decline in the economic well-being of the general population [00:14:06].
- Relative Wage: A key indicator is the “relative wage,” calculated as nominal wage divided by GDP per capita [00:20:53]. A declining relative wage signifies that the general population is no longer sharing in overall prosperity [00:22:54]. In the US, the relative wage has nearly halved since 1850 [00:19:34].
- Wealth Pump: This decline is often driven by a “wealth pump,” a mechanism that extracts wealth from the poor and transfers it to the rich [00:22:30], [00:22:41]. Historically, this could be due to factors like overpopulation depressing wages in the Middle Ages [00:23:22]. In modern societies, ruling elites may reconfigure the economy for their own benefit, leading to this wealth transfer [00:24:19].
- Consequences: Popular immiseration increases discontent and the potential for mass mobilization, as people perceive a loss of economic ground [00:24:37], [00:24:54]. This discontent is often relative to societal expectations and previous generations [00:26:28], [00:27:01]. For example, the declining ability of median workers to afford homes or put children through college highlights this trend [00:28:04], [00:28:29].
2. Elite Overproduction
Elites are defined as a small proportion of the population concentrating social power (military, economic, political/administrative, ideological) [00:36:30], [00:37:24]. Elite overproduction occurs when the number of elite aspirants (those seeking positions of power) significantly exceeds the available positions [00:17:14], [00:17:30].
- Intensified Competition: This leads to excessive competition among elites, which can be disruptive and dysfunctional, undermining social norms and political processes, potentially leading to rule-breaking and civil conflict [00:17:40], [00:17:57].
- Wealth Pump Contribution: The “wealth pump” directly contributes to elite overproduction by concentrating wealth, leading to a massive increase in the number of wealthy individuals (e.g., deca-millionaires increased tenfold in the US over 40 years) [00:42:48], [00:43:08]. Many of these wealthy individuals then enter the political arena [00:43:34].
- Credentialed Aspirants: Additionally, the struggle to escape economic precarity drives people to seek credentials (college, advanced degrees) [00:45:13], leading to an oversupply of highly educated individuals for limited elite positions [00:45:55].
- Frustrated/Failed Aspirant Elites: This overproduction creates a large pool of “frustrated aspirant elites”—intelligent, ambitious, well-educated, and connected individuals who cannot achieve suitable positions commensurate with their perceived capacity [00:41:50], [00:46:09]. These individuals become a primary source of potential revolutionaries and radicals (e.g., historical figures like Lenin, Castro, Robespierre were lawyers) [00:47:06], [00:47:32]. They form “counter-elites” who organize and mobilize popular discontent [00:48:03].
Synergistic Dynamics and Outcomes
The combination of popular immiseration (providing the “fuel” of discontent) and frustrated aspirant elites (providing the “spark” and “organization”) creates an “explosive mixture” [00:48:53], [00:49:06]. The outcomes of such instabilities, when measured by fatalities, often follow a power-law distribution, meaning large-scale, extreme events are more likely than predicted by normal statistical models (fat-tail events) [00:49:30].
Competition intensifies at all levels of the social pyramid, from those seeking to escape precarity to billionaires [00:52:50]. This means a society generates “supreme leaders, officers, and foot soldiers” for potential radical movements simultaneously [00:55:08]. The “potential energy” for collapse builds up within the system [00:55:40].
Predictability and Triggers of Collapse
Clio Dynamics suggests that while underlying structural trends (immiseration, elite overproduction) are predictable over years or decades [00:57:48], the specific “triggers” that set off an avalanche of violence are largely unpredictable [00:58:26], [00:58:31]. These triggers can be diverse, ranging from assassinations to sudden economic shocks (like food price spikes) [00:58:33]. The current escalating rhetoric and increasing talk of secession in the US, combined with heightened political instability around elections, are seen as dangerous signs [00:59:43], [01:00:08].
Mitigation Strategies and Transition Strategies
To mitigate the risks of societal collapse, strategies can be categorized into short-term and long-term approaches [01:01:42], [01:01:57].
Historical Example: Britain in the 19th Century
The British Empire successfully avoided the Revolutions of 1848, despite facing declining real wages and a dire situation [01:03:33]. Their approach illustrates both short- and long-term solutions:
- Short-term: They managed surplus workers by shipping millions to colonies like Australia and North America, reducing labor oversupply and helping reverse wage decline [01:04:25]. They also exported surplus elites to positions within the Empire [01:04:51]. These actions “flattened the curve” and bought time [01:05:01].
- Long-term: British elites implemented reforms that effectively “shut down the wealth pump” [01:05:12]. This included expanding suffrage, granting workers formal power to organize and bargain, and abolishing the Corn Laws (which had artifically inflated food prices, acting as a “mini wealth pump”) [01:05:16], [01:05:22].
Modern Suggestions
For contemporary societies, the core long-term strategy is to “shut down the wealth pump” and rebalance the economy [01:06:39], allowing the social pyramid to become less top-heavy [01:06:50]. Specific actions might include:
- Increasing Minimum Wage: Raising the minimum wage could help address popular immiseration, as economists generally agree it does not harm employment [01:07:11].
- Strategic Spending: Reallocating large budgets (e.g., military spending) to employ credentialed individuals, such as historians, could reduce desperation among potential counter-elites [01:07:46].
The Cost of Revolution
Violent revolutions and state collapses lead to immense human misery [01:10:19]. Many violent revolutions simply exchange one problematic regime for another without improving the situation [01:10:54]. While some “peaceful revolutions” have occurred (e.g., England’s Glorious Revolution of 1688), they are not typical [01:11:14], [01:11:51]. Societies that managed to avoid the worst outcomes often did so because their elites remembered the horrors of past civil conflicts, leading them to take steps to avoid such violence [01:12:33], [01:13:07]. The lack of such collective memory in modern times makes the current trajectory particularly worrying [01:13:13].