From: officialflagrant
The world of comedy is often characterized by unique social dynamics and interactions, both on and off stage. Comedians often navigate complex relationships, a distinct professional culture, and the challenges of their craft.
Social Dynamics Among Comedians
Comedians often struggle to accept genuine compliments, preferring playful insults instead [04:35:59]. This dynamic can be seen when a compliment is given, and the recipient immediately tries to deflect or joke about it [04:14:50]. A “love bomb” is described as an initial period of excessive affection or praise that can later lead to negative dynamics, sometimes linked to the concept of removing accountability [03:31:51]. In the context of comedy, this could imply that initial overwhelming praise might set unrealistic expectations or create a disingenuous foundation for interactions [03:31:51]. The idea that comedians are not friends with other comedians is considered “wild” by some [01:06:46]. However, it’s also acknowledged that some comedians might prefer to enjoy their lives outside of constant interaction with peers [01:06:54].
The Craft of Comedy
Roasts and Their Dynamics
Roasts are a significant part of comedian culture, often involving a specific set of rules, including “off-limits” topics [01:08:29]. For example, for William Shatner, the off-limits topic was his wife’s death in a pool [01:08:32]. For Pam Anderson, it was a child drowning at one of her parties [01:08:42], and for Joan Rivers, it was her daughter Melissa [01:08:51].
When Donald Trump was roasted, his off-limits topic was surprisingly Melania, not Ivanka [01:09:08]. Despite jokes about his hair, business failures, and even his “dick,” Trump was reportedly “dying laughing the whole time” [01:09:34]. After the performance, he pulled the comedian close, put a hand on their lower back, and remarked, “Great television,” indicating he saw it as entertainment rather than personal attack [01:09:41].
Joke Writing and Performance
Some comedians meticulously write out every word of their sets, even seemingly improvised moments [01:30:07]. The feeling of being “funny on purpose” after realizing that comedy can be meticulously written is a significant moment for some [01:15:08]. The creative process for comedians is likened to “hunting” for a joke, where they pursue a premise until they get it right [01:18:51]. This pursuit is described as a deep passion, much like a hunter’s obsession with their quarry [01:19:32].
Historically, comedians like Joan Rivers were known for rapid-fire “joke, joke, joke” sets, contrasting with some contemporary male comedians who tell longer stories or discuss personal struggles like depression and anxiety [01:43:04].
Comedians and Politics
The integration of comedians with political figures is evident in events like roasts [01:05:37]. Discussions about political topics like a female president, the roles of presidents’ spouses, and international leaders’ appearances are integrated into comedic discourse [01:41:46]. There’s also commentary on the perceived “weakness” or vulnerability of male politicians compared to the expectation for female leaders [01:43:33].
Industry Insights and Career Reflections
Comedians reflect on career milestones, such as getting a Netflix special [01:55:00]. Discussions also touch on the specific challenges of the comedy industry, including dealing with cancellations [02:22:15]. Performers also announce their comedy tours and upcoming shows [01:12:00].
Working During the Pandemic
During the pandemic, some comedians made efforts to support stylists and makeup artists who were losing jobs, by intentionally getting expensive hair procedures [01:17:15]. This was also a way to maintain an entertaining presence online and avoid showing depression, choosing to “roast me, make fun of me” instead [01:18:15].
Controversies and Sensitive Topics
Comedians often tackle sensitive or controversial topics in their acts, leading to discussions about acceptable boundaries and public reaction.
Transgender Jokes and Discussions
There’s a recurring discussion about transgender jokes and public perception. One comedian mentions making “transphobic jokes” in their Netflix special [01:55:49]. The conversation touches on whether asking about someone’s experience with trans individuals makes one transphobic [01:57:14]. The idea that “trans is real” and having “so many trans friends” is used to deflect accusations of transphobia [01:57:50].
Drag Queens and Children
The topic of drag queens performing for children, particularly in “story time” events, is identified as a point of contention among parents [01:01:00]. Some comedians argue that drag queens do not pose a threat to children, humorously pointing out the logistical difficulties of molestation given their elaborate costumes and long nails [01:02:14].
Historical Context of Humor
The evolution of humor is discussed, noting that jokes considered “laugh out loud funny” in the past might seem less so today due to changing social contexts and repetition [01:41:00]. For example, Lenny Bruce’s observations about white people trying to prove they aren’t racist when meeting Black people were revolutionary for their time but are now widely observed tropes [01:41:31].