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Clio Dynamics is a scientific discipline dedicated to the study of history [00:02:16]. Peter Turchin, a complexity scientist, is widely considered the founder of this field [00:00:51].
Motivation and Scientific Approach
The motivation behind Clio Dynamics is twofold:
- Scientific Rigor in History: History, until recently, had not been rigorously subjected to the scientific method, lacking a systematic program for testing theories against data [00:02:58]. Turchin’s background as a theoretical biologist led him to apply methods from population dynamics to human societies [00:02:48].
- Understanding Societal Health: Societies, while capable of providing broad well-being, historically tend to enter “end times” periods of social dysfunction and political disintegration [00:03:51]. Clio Dynamics aims to develop a “science of social health” to understand why these periods occur [00:04:20].
Distinguishing Clio Dynamics from Other Theories
Historically, various theories of history have been prominent, such as the “great man” theory, “social forces” or structuralism, and environmental determinism (e.g., Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Germs, and Steel”) [00:05:11].
Clio Dynamics distinguishes itself by:
- Integrating Multiple Factors: Unlike other sciences like economics or political science that look at separate mechanisms, Clio Dynamics is an integrative science [00:06:59]. It considers economic dynamics, political dynamics, and even climatology, including the influence of individuals, if they are empirically shown to matter [00:07:02].
- Empirical Testing: The core of Clio Dynamics involves testing theories against data and rejecting some in favor of others [00:08:58]. While direct double-blind experiments are not possible in history, similar to astrophysics, geology, or evolutionary biology, data-driven analysis is central [00:08:03].
Methodology: Data Collection and Proxies
A critical part of Clio Dynamics is the ability to test models with extensive data [00:15:34]. Key initiatives include:
- Seshat: Global History Databank: A massive historical database building project that has collected data on hundreds of societies over the past 10,000 years [00:15:51].
- Crisis DB: A supplementary database focusing on societies entering and emerging from crises [00:16:18]. This database reveals that states often experience periods of order for generations, which unfortunately end in social dysfunction [00:16:40].
Clio Dynamics relies on diverse data sources, including historical records (e.g., church records for population dynamics [00:11:00]) and proxies:
- Proxies: Variables closely correlated with the variable of interest [00:11:24]. For example, average human stature (height) serves as a reliable proxy for biological well-being and economic conditions of a population over time [00:12:26]. A decline in average population height can be a warning signal for potential troubles [00:13:09].
Key Drivers of Societal Instability
Based on historical data, two ubiquitously observed factors contribute to periods of social dysfunction, leading to what Turchin calls “end times”:
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Popular Immiseration: The declining economic well-being of the general population [00:15:06].
- Relative Wage: This is measured by nominal wage divided by GDP per capita [00:20:56]. A declining relative wage signifies that workers are not sharing in general prosperity, which instead goes to the economic elites [00:23:07]. In the US, relative wages have significantly declined since the late 1970s [00:22:26].
- Wealth Pump: This mechanism transfers wealth from the poor to the rich [00:22:47]. Historically, mechanisms varied (e.g., population growth depressing wages in the Middle Ages [00:23:48]), but the outcome is the same: elites reconfigure the economy for their benefit [00:24:28].
- Generational Comparison: People measure their well-being relative to other population segments and, more importantly, to previous generations (e.g., their parents) [00:27:01]. The inability to afford key middle-class items like housing or education (e.g., college costs increasing significantly relative to parental wages) contributes to discontent [00:28:45]. This discontent leads to mass mobilization potential [00:25:05].
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Elite Overproduction: A situation where the number of “elite aspirants” (individuals seeking positions of power) significantly outnumbers the available positions (“chairs”) [00:17:26].
- Definition of Elites: A small proportion of the population concentrating social power, which can be military, economic, political/administrative, or ideological [00:36:40].
- Top-Heavy Social Pyramid: The wealth pump leads to an overproduction of wealthy individuals (e.g., tenfold increase in decamillionaires in the US over 40 years, while population grew by 40% [00:43:15]), many of whom enter the political arena, intensifying competition [00:44:06].
- Frustrated Elite Aspirants (Counter-Elites): The increased competition means a vast number of intelligent, ambitious, well-educated, and well-connected individuals cannot secure elite positions commensurate with their perceived capacity [00:47:15]. These “failed aspirant elites” or “frustrated men” (a concept tied to Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer”) are the primary source of potential revolutionaries and radicals [00:42:03]. Lawyers, for example, are highlighted as a historically dangerous profession in this regard, with many revolutionary leaders being lawyers [00:47:53]. Counter-elites provide the organization needed to mobilize popular discontent [00:48:55].
Historical Precedents and Predictions
Clio Dynamics draws heavily on historical precedents to understand societal dynamics:
- French Revolution and Arab Spring: Triggered partly by high food prices [00:58:53].
- Medieval Europe (14th Century): The Black Death, operating on an already top-heavy social pyramid due to the wealth pump, disproportionately killed the poor, leading to collapse and prolonged civil wars like the Hundred Years’ War and the Wars of the Roses [00:35:21].
- Intra-Elite Competition: Increased dueling among elites in the 17th and mid-19th centuries correlated with periods of crisis, similar to modern public rivalries among billionaires [00:54:24].
In 2010, Turchin predicted that the United States was likely to enter a period of heightened political instability around 2020 [00:18:30]. The 2016 US election, with its unprecedented number of Republican candidates and rule-breaking, was seen as an operationalization of the “musical chairs” game of elite overproduction [00:19:11].
Predictability and Future Outlook
Clio Dynamics suggests that while human social systems are to a degree predictable, they are ultimately unpredictable in their precise triggers [00:57:42].
- Predictable Structural Trends: Factors like popular immiseration and elite overproduction increase or change slowly over years or decades and are fairly predictable [00:58:05].
- Unpredictable Triggers: The specific “spark” that ignites a “prairie fire” (Mao’s analogy) is essentially unpredictable, whether it’s an assassination, a geo-economic event, or an individual act [00:59:02].
- Current Concerns: The intensifying rhetoric and increasing talks of secession in the US, combined with the prospect of political elections where the losing side may not accept results, are seen as extremely dangerous [01:00:57].
Mitigating Crisis and Long-Term Solutions
The science of Clio Dynamics is still developing, but it provides guidance for navigating crises [01:03:02].
- Learning from History: The UK’s ability to avoid the 1848 revolutions offers a model [01:03:40].
- Short-Term: Britain shipped surplus workers (e.g., to Australia) and surplus elites (e.g., to positions in the British Empire) [01:05:03]. This “flattened the curve” and bought time [01:05:08].
- Long-Term: Britain shut down its “wealth pump” by expanding voting rights, empowering workers to bargain, and abolishing “Corn Laws” that favored landlords by restricting food imports [01:06:11].
- Modern Applications:
- Shutting Down the Wealth Pump: This is the long-term goal to rebalance the economy and make the social pyramid less top-heavy [01:06:53]. Policies like increasing the minimum wage are immediate steps [01:07:22]. Historical precedents like the high US tax rates post-FDR (e.g., 90% on top incomes until 1964) are examples of policies that reduced wealth concentration [01:09:03].
- Addressing Elite Overproduction: Employing frustrated elite aspirants (e.g., historians with PhDs) could reduce their desperation and potential to become counter-elites [01:08:23].
Stance on Revolution
Peter Turchin unequivocally disagrees with the notion that a violent revolution is a good thing [01:10:19]. He highlights the immense human misery caused by state collapses, drawing from his personal experience growing up in the Soviet Union [01:10:47]. Many violent revolutions simply exchange one group of “scoundrels” for another, making the situation no better [01:11:04].
While favorable, less bloody outcomes (e.g., peaceful revolutions, reforms) are rare (10-15% historically), they are highly preferable [01:11:51]. Societies that remember the horrors of past civil wars (like England’s Glorious Revolution of 1688 after their Civil War, or the US Progressive Era/New Deal after the American Civil War) tend to take steps to avoid the worst [01:13:10]. The lack of such collective memory today is a concern [01:13:17].