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Forrest Landry, founder and CEO of Magic Flight, conducts research under the auspices of the Ronin Institute. His work explores how design influences culture and ecology, the interface between organic and inorganic systems, and models for achieving effective personal and social governance [00:01:13]. He emphasizes the importance of these fields given the current global challenges and humanity’s expanded technological power [00:33:57].

Motivation and the Current Global State

Landry is motivated by a deep appreciation for life and a desire for future generations to experience its gift [00:02:47]. He aims to serve nature and the future of humanity, seeking to create long-term thriving for the next thousand years, where the world is beautiful and healthy [00:03:44].

However, the current state of the world’s decision-making processes is problematic, often not grounded in long-term perspectives and poorly optimized even for the short-term [00:04:06]. Humanity stands at an epochal moment where the future could be more glorious than imagined or the worst of disasters, depending on the choices made [00:04:36].

Ethics: Principles vs. Rules

Landry distinguishes between ethics and morality, akin to principles and rules [00:05:34].

  • Principles (Ethics): General heuristics that apply broadly, often related to communication [00:05:37]. For example, a principle is that communication channels are limited if content conditionally affects context (e.g., saying “hang up” on a phone call actually hangs up the phone) [00:07:10].
  • Rules (Morality): Specific applications of principles relevant to a particular situation or context [00:05:52]. For instance, “don’t type in capital letters” on an email forum [00:05:57].

As the world changes drastically due to technology, there’s a constant need to rethink the relationship between ethical principles and moral rules to ensure choices align with underlying values [00:08:20].

Metaphysics and Choice

Landry views metaphysics as the academic discipline addressing “what is and how do we know it” [00:13:02]. It provides a foundation for concepts like realism and idealism [00:13:18]. His metaphysical framework extends beyond matter and dynamics to include probabilities and possibilities [00:13:55].

A core dilemma of the time is the lack of coherent thinking about the nature of choice, especially compared to the well-developed tools for understanding causation through science and technology [00:09:47]. Metaphysics offers a clear way to understand choice and, by extension, “effective choice” [00:10:42].

The idea that everything can be reduced to lower-level phenomena is challenged by emergent phenomena in chemistry that cannot be explained purely by physics [00:21:16]. This means reductionism as a philosophy must be questioned [00:22:04]. Furthermore, deterministic chaos in even simple physical systems means that from a practical perspective, predicting future trajectories is impossible, eliminating concerns about a purely deterministic world [00:22:28].

There are limits to what is knowable in principle, implying a fundamental “unknowable” [00:23:23]. This suggests that relying solely on feedback mechanisms and objective metrics (like utilitarian ethics) is insufficient [00:24:00]; there’s a need for “value ethics” that considers what truly matters [00:24:11].

Values, Meaning, and Purpose

Landry distinguishes between three concepts critical for decision-making:

  • Purpose: Defined externally (e.g., the purpose of a toaster is to make toast, assigned by the user) [00:28:58].
  • Values: Innate, coming from within, not imposed externally (e.g., a son’s intrinsic desires for his life, independent of his father’s expectations) [00:30:07]. They manifest in choices [00:30:26].
  • Meaning: Occurs in the relationship between the subjective and the objective; it’s inherently transpersonal [00:31:06]. (e.g., the word “dog” gaining meaning through interaction between sound, personal association, and object reference) [00:30:44].

Though distinct, these concepts are inseparable; where one occurs, the other two will also be present [00:32:30]. For profound, impactful choices, especially concerning existential risks or civilization collapse, a rigorous understanding of these distinctions is crucial [00:33:00].

When making decisions in complex situations, like using CRISPR, it’s essential to recognize that not all outcomes can be predicted [00:35:17]. Safe-to-fail probes are valuable, but certain experiments (e.g., global nuclear war, self-replicating biological systems) are too consequential to test [00:36:04]. The purposes of such probes are connected to the meaningfulness of our values [00:37:06].

Every complicated system is inevitably embedded in at least one complex system [00:38:32]. For instance, a business (complicated) operates within a marketplace (complex), and a farm (mostly complicated) is embedded in an ecosystem (complex) [00:38:43]. In these relationships, the complex is stronger and foundational [00:39:19]. Therefore, values must be stronger than purposes, guiding choices from a deeper, “transcendent” basis, rather than being debased by mere feedback mechanisms [00:39:32].

The challenge with industrial farming, for example, is that its complicated processes are causing unsustainable damage to the complex ecosystem [00:41:10]. Society must move towards sustainable and adaptive practices, allowing systems to evolve and work well with their changing contexts [00:41:52]. This requires a form of “consciousness” that transcends blind evolutionary processes, which are often inefficient and result in “failed experiments” like species extinction [00:42:48].

Humanity’s technological power has forced a need for conscious, values-based decision-making beyond unconscious market forces or pure evolution [00:44:21]. With the “power of gods,” humanity needs the “wisdom of gods,” not capricious ones, to manage its impact on the ecosystem [00:45:57].

The Path Forward: Sensemaking and Truthfulness, Choice-making, and Action-taking

To move from a state of “muddle blind deaf and dumb” to effective collective sensemaking and decision making and action, three components are needed:

  1. Sensemaking: Requires observing the world accurately and sharing information transparently, without personal filtering [00:52:02]. This involves creating an “information ecology” that counters the disinformation prevalent on platforms like the internet, which currently incentivize individual benefit over community well-being [00:51:17]. The process starts with asking the right questions about the state of the world [00:52:19].
  2. Choice-making: Guided by a “compass” of values and criteria for success, enabling holistic and comprehensive solutions [00:53:11].
  3. Action-taking/Implementation: The capacity to manifest choices in the world [00:11:31].

Landry posits that an effective system requires a map (understanding of the world), a compass (values/guidance), and knowledge of one’s current position [00:52:46]. The failure of neurons to operate on individual benefit (filtering signals) would lead to a lack of computation or consciousness in a brain [00:55:01]. Similarly, humanity must move beyond individual benefit in communication to a collective responsibility, recognizing that individual and collective well-being are deeply entangled [01:01:55].

The current design of social media, prioritizing corporate and shareholder interests, neglects community and user benefit [00:59:01]. A shift is needed where social technology serves community as its primary objective [00:59:22]. Broadcasters and technology companies must be held responsible for the impact of their platforms, moving towards moral codes that prioritize community well-being over short-term financial gains [00:59:42].

The Problem of Centralization and Implementation

There’s a critique that sensemaking alone is insufficient without the ability to influence societal trajectory [01:11:00]. Landry agrees, stressing that implementation capacity is equally crucial [01:12:00]. However, existing institutions, despite their vast implementation capacity, often lack good sensemaking [01:13:52].

Centralized platforms (as opposed to decentralized protocols) tend to create dynamics of capture and market forces that disable effective choice-making [01:04:58]. The sheer volume of information needed for good choices necessitates distributed systems, even if they are less efficient in some respects [01:06:16]. The focus should be on the quality of choices made, which depends on the quality of the underlying protocol and sensemaking [01:07:06].

Corruption, whether overt or “soft corruption” by vested interests, also hinders effective implementation [01:14:40]. The parasitic nature of market developers extracting value from ecosystems eventually leads to collapse [01:16:15]. Therefore, effective governance requires a high-quality process for sensemaking, choice-making, and implementation, all working in concert [01:16:28].

Urgency and Humanity’s Role

Humanity has passed a threshold where its capabilities (fueled by fossil fuels, science, information systems) now dwarf the resilience of the Earth’s systems, allowing for the potential destruction of the ecosystem [00:45:25].

The challenge is immensely difficult, requiring an “asymmetry of strength” in wisdom proportional to the “asymmetry of power” wielded by humanity [01:17:57]. While gradual adoption of better practices is hoped for, the existential risks of climate change and pandemics pose critical time constraints [01:19:27]. “Resets” (societal collapse) are not a solution, as they don’t develop the capacity to prevent future collapses, and with modern technology, a “reset” could mean irreversible damage to the ecology, preventing human endurance [01:21:31].

Therefore, the focus must be on using current knowledge and resources (science, technology, sociology, anthropology, psychology, philosophy) to develop new capacities for sensemaking, choice-making, and community design as quickly as possible [01:23:06]. This development should be non-commercial, relying on donations and time commitments rather than market processes, which are inherently flawed [01:24:18].

The Fermi Paradox, which questions why no other intelligent life has been found, suggests a crucial implication: if humanity is unique in its intelligence, it has a purpose to bring the universe to life [01:27:01]. Squandering this opportunity by destroying life on Earth or preventing space exploration would be a monumental loss [01:27:19]. Even if other life exists, its invisibility could be due to a “dark forest theory,” where intelligent species remain hidden because they haven’t seen a sufficiently developed level of ethical thinking and behavior in others [01:29:02]. To be a “fit receptacle” for interaction with other civilizations and a “good citizen of the universe,” humanity must prioritize developing its ethics and engage in the necessary “self-work” [01:33:50]. This provides an even stronger motivation to effectively address existential risks. [01:34:03]