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Forrest Landry, founder and CEO of Magic Flight, conducts research through the Ronin Institute into various areas, including how product and system design influences culture and ecology [00:00:51].
Magic Flight: A Model of Sustainable Design
Magic Flight operates as a woodworking company that emphasizes the use of renewable materials and aims for clear, simple solutions to complex problems [00:01:33]. The company strives to go beyond traditional design methods, integrating the experiences of both employees and customers [00:02:19]. They believe in finding design solutions that avoid trade-offs, allowing for all desired outcomes to be achieved [00:02:27].
Motivation for Broader Work
Landry’s motivation stems from a profound regard for being alive and a desire to serve nature and the future of humanity [00:02:47]. He believes that human well-being and natural well-being can both be achieved simultaneously, aiming for thriving in the long term, envisioning a genuinely beautiful and healthy world for the next thousand years [00:03:33].
Current Global State and the Need for Change
Landry assesses the current global state as not looking “very good” [00:04:06]. He observes that current decision-making processes are not grounded in a long-term stance and are often not even optimized for the short term, leading to squandered resources and lost opportunities [00:04:10]. Humanity is at an epochal choice point, where the future could be either glorious or disastrous [00:04:33]. The choice is between a dystopia and a healthier world, necessitating an understanding of the values from which choices are made [00:04:49].
Foundations: Ethics, Metaphysics, and Choice
Landry distinguishes between:
- Ethics: Fundamental principles for effective choice [00:05:34].
- Morality: Specific rules relevant to a particular situation [00:05:52].
He emphasizes that as the world changes, especially with the introduction of technology, the relationship between these principles and rules must be rethought [00:08:20]. Metaphysics, the study of “what is and how do we know it,” is crucial for developing coherent thinking about the nature of choice and its relationship with causation [00:09:51]. Without a clear understanding of choice, the concept of ethics lacks a foundation [00:10:31].
Landry suggests that the notion of “real” lies in the interaction between the objective and the subjective, rather than purely in matter or dynamics alone [00:16:15]. He asserts that reductionism, the idea that complex phenomena can be entirely explained by simpler underlying principles, fails even between physics and chemistry, implying that emergent phenomena cannot always be derived from prior domains [00:20:48]. This means that factors beyond feedback mechanisms, such as value ethics, are necessary for making choices [00:24:00].
Meaning, Values, and Purpose
Landry outlines three distinct, yet inseparable, concepts:
- Purpose: Defined by something external to the object (e.g., a toaster’s purpose is to cook toast) [00:28:58].
- Value: Innate, coming from within (e.g., a child’s value isn’t solely defined by familial function) [00:30:07].
- Meaning: Occurs in the relationship between the subjective and the objective; inherently transpersonal (e.g., the meaning of a word comes from shared association) [00:31:06].
For profoundly impactful decisions, such as those related to existential risk or civilizational collapse, rigorous ethical thinking is paramount [00:33:04].
Applying Ethics to Design and Society
Complex vs. Complicated Systems in Decision Making
Drawing on Dave Snowden’s work, Landry highlights the difference between complicated systems (controllable via computation and simulation) and complex systems (like nature, where complete state is unknown and many factors interact) [00:34:36]. In complex situations, “safe-to-fail probes” are needed to gather information [00:35:21]. However, some experiments (e.g., global nuclear war, self-replicating biotech) are too consequential to test, as they could destroy the system itself [00:36:07].
Every complicated system is inevitably embedded within at least one complex system [00:38:32]. The complex system is foundational and stronger [00:39:19]. Therefore, values must be stronger than purposes, guiding choices based on a deeper, non-objective source to avoid being “gamed by the system” [00:39:32].
Industrial Agriculture as an Example
Industrial farming, though complicated, is embedded in the complex ecosystem [00:40:48]. Its current methods cause significant damage to the ecosystem, making it unsustainable [00:41:10].
To address this, Landry stresses the need for both sustainability and adaptivity (evolution) [00:41:53]. Pure feedback-based methodologies (like blind evolution) may fail, as nature’s experiments can lead to species extinction or ecological collapse [00:43:27]. Human technology has enabled a powerful top-down approach, but if driven by the “unconsciousness” of market systems or blind evolution, it leads to the “worst of both possible worlds” [00:43:57].
Landry advocates for a values-based, meaningfulness-based approach to choice-making that is holistic, accounting for both evolutionary and sustainability aspects, consciously reconciling them [00:44:34].
The Power of Technology and the Need for Wisdom
Humanity’s ability to harvest fossil fuels around 1750, combined with the scientific method and information systems, dramatically increased human capability, overwhelming the planet’s resilience [00:45:25]. Previously, humans could not seriously damage the ecosystem, but now they can utterly destroy it [00:45:50]. This immense power necessitates the “wisdom of gods” to prevent cataclysm [00:46:03].
A “multiplicity of values” allows for the identification of what is truly meaningful, which then can lead to a clear purpose [00:47:46]. This contrasts with traditional “I want” individual perspectives, requiring a collective “we want” approach to address global challenges like resource allocation and market forces [00:49:01].
Moving Towards Collective Sense-Making and Action
To address the current global challenges, humanity needs to move from a state of “muddle blind deaf and dumb” to effective sense-making, choice-making, and action-taking [00:50:13]. This requires:
- Observation and Truth-Telling: Entering an observational state, dispassionately sharing information without personal filtering to create an “information ecology” [00:50:31]. Current market forces incentivize disinformation, highlighting the need to prioritize collective survival over individual benefit [00:51:25].
- Inquiry and Asking the Right Questions: Before making choices, ensure the right questions about the state of the world and our current position are being asked [00:52:17]. This is akin to needing a compass (values), a map (understanding trajectories), and knowledge of our current position [00:52:44].
- Community-Oriented Communication: Recognizing that communication is not purely for individual benefit [00:56:45]. The human species needs to learn how to communicate effectively, moving beyond “market processes” to “non-rivalrous dynamics” that enable good sense-making [00:56:54].
Landry supports initiatives like the Center for Humane Technology, which promotes a reorientation of social media technology to serve community benefit as its primary objective, rather than surveillance capitalism or the attention economy [00:59:13]. This implies creating moral codes and policies that hold technology companies responsible for their impact on the community [00:59:44].
The Imperative of Distributed Systems
The scale of information processing required for good choices at a species level means that no amount of centralization can handle the bandwidth [01:05:18]. Centralized platforms tend to create dynamics of capture and market forces that disable necessary choice-making processes [01:04:58]. Therefore, emphasis should be on developing protocols rather than platforms, enabling distributed systems that prioritize quality over efficiency [01:06:51].
Addressing the “Shitshow”
The challenges are immense, including the “soft corruption” of political processes by vested interests [01:17:51]. Landry acknowledges that sense-making alone is not enough; it must be coupled with choice-making and implementation capacity [01:11:15]. Current institutions have vast implementation capacity but poor sense-making, while individuals have good sense-making but poor implementation capacity [01:13:52]. The key is to upgrade the sense-making capacity of institutions and ensure implementations are non-corruptible and serve the collective good [01:14:00].
The goal is to move beyond the boom-and-bust cycles of past civilizations, especially given that modern technology can entangle and damage entire ecosystems globally [01:21:30]. A “reset” might mean an irreversible damage to the ecology [01:21:40]. Therefore, the focus must be on using current resources and knowledge (science, technology, sociology, anthropology, psychology, philosophy, metaphysics) to speed up the development of new capacities for sense-making, choice-making, and community design [01:23:06]. This work should be non-commercial, relying on donations and time commitments rather than market investments [01:24:18].
Humanity’s Unique Role in the Universe
Reflecting on the Fermi paradox, Landry suggests that if humanity is unique in its intelligence, it may have a purpose to “bring the universe to life” [01:27:04]. Squandering this opportunity by destroying Earth’s ecosystem or preventing humanity from expanding into the universe would be a profound loss [01:27:19].
The “dark forest theory” suggests that other intelligent species might remain silent due to the existential risk of revealing themselves in a universe where technological power could be vastly asymmetric [01:31:38]. This implies that for humanity to ever make “first contact” or be considered a “fit receptacle” for inter-species communication, it must first develop a sufficiently high level of ethical thinking and behavior – to become a “good citizen of the universe” [01:32:48].